Comments on: Is Debian listening to its users? http://blog.stone-head.org/is-debian-listening-to-its-users/ personal blog of Rudy Godoy Mon, 16 Jan 2012 16:48:00 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: on3_g http://blog.stone-head.org/is-debian-listening-to-its-users/comment-page-1/#comment-170 on3_g Wed, 18 Mar 2009 23:42:29 +0000 http://blog.stone-head.org/?p=113#comment-170 I think Debian Developers are listening to another developers and sysadmins users, and not to the end-users.<br><br>Some people don't wanna use derivates distros, just wanna use debian and have all the benefits of other's distros with the stability of our distro. I think Debian Developers are listening to another developers and sysadmins users, and not to the end-users.

Some people don't wanna use derivates distros, just wanna use debian and have all the benefits of other's distros with the stability of our distro.

]]> By: on3_g http://blog.stone-head.org/is-debian-listening-to-its-users/comment-page-1/#comment-121 on3_g Wed, 18 Mar 2009 16:42:29 +0000 http://blog.stone-head.org/?p=113#comment-121 I think Debian Developers are listening to another developers and sysadmins users, and not to the end-users.<br><br>Some people don't wanna use derivates distros, just wanna use debian and have all the benefits of other's distros with the stability of our distro. I think Debian Developers are listening to another developers and sysadmins users, and not to the end-users.

Some people don't wanna use derivates distros, just wanna use debian and have all the benefits of other's distros with the stability of our distro.

]]> By: Rudy Godoy http://blog.stone-head.org/is-debian-listening-to-its-users/comment-page-1/#comment-120 Rudy Godoy Wed, 18 Mar 2009 04:59:46 +0000 http://blog.stone-head.org/?p=113#comment-120 Yes, you have a point. I think Debian first needs to know who are they direct users and then learn what they do value most of it. Then focus on it. Derivatives have their own processes and yes, they can deal with users. So, if Debian can be somehow blend's technology provider I guess things could be much more nicer for everyone. Yes, you have a point. I think Debian first needs to know who are they direct users and then learn what they do value most of it. Then focus on it. Derivatives have their own processes and yes, they can deal with users. So, if Debian can be somehow blend's technology provider I guess things could be much more nicer for everyone.

]]> By: Rudy Godoy http://blog.stone-head.org/is-debian-listening-to-its-users/comment-page-1/#comment-119 Rudy Godoy Wed, 18 Mar 2009 04:54:35 +0000 http://blog.stone-head.org/?p=113#comment-119 I'm not sure about the attitude, but despite that, we need to know what our users (not necesarily end-users) would want or value most. There are plenty Debian derivatives and we don't have ways to measure how the Debian releases are making their life easier when building blends. The same for another group of users.<br><br>Mailing lists, IRC and other forms of classic communication have the problem that you cannot extract valuable information, store it and mine it later. I'm not sure about the attitude, but despite that, we need to know what our users (not necesarily end-users) would want or value most. There are plenty Debian derivatives and we don't have ways to measure how the Debian releases are making their life easier when building blends. The same for another group of users.

Mailing lists, IRC and other forms of classic communication have the problem that you cannot extract valuable information, store it and mine it later.

]]> By: Rudy Godoy http://blog.stone-head.org/is-debian-listening-to-its-users/comment-page-1/#comment-118 Rudy Godoy Wed, 18 Mar 2009 04:44:07 +0000 http://blog.stone-head.org/?p=113#comment-118 Hi Eduardo, I wasn't thinking about questionaries, but community-driven user-voice. So the community itself states what they value most in Debian. Hi Eduardo, I wasn't thinking about questionaries, but community-driven user-voice. So the community itself states what they value most in Debian.

]]> By: Is Debian listening to its users? http://blog.stone-head.org/is-debian-listening-to-its-users/comment-page-1/#comment-116 Is Debian listening to its users? Mon, 16 Mar 2009 16:38:35 +0000 http://blog.stone-head.org/?p=113#comment-116 [...] For some time ago I’ve been pondering about this question. As long as GSoC 2009 is about to start and people are looking for project ideas, I’m posting here a very preliminar draft of my findings and an idea for a posible software project. More here [...] [...] For some time ago I’ve been pondering about this question. As long as GSoC 2009 is about to start and people are looking for project ideas, I’m posting here a very preliminar draft of my findings and an idea for a posible software project. More here [...]

]]> By: Gen2ly http://blog.stone-head.org/is-debian-listening-to-its-users/comment-page-1/#comment-115 Gen2ly Sun, 15 Mar 2009 20:31:28 +0000 http://blog.stone-head.org/?p=113#comment-115 I see Debian alot like Gentoo, a developer community. Basically to get things done you have to have a basic knowledge of programming or at least how linux works. I think Debian is designed to protect it's developers from generic bug-reports and thoughts. Take a look at lauchpad and what the developers have to sort through there on a day to day basis, so it's not always a bad thing. Perhaps with the advent of Ubuntu Debian developers have got what they wanted: the ability to be able to populate Debian to the masses without the cruft. IMHO the face of Debian and Gentoo are etched. ;) I see Debian alot like Gentoo, a developer community. Basically to get things done you have to have a basic knowledge of programming or at least how linux works. I think Debian is designed to protect it's developers from generic bug-reports and thoughts. Take a look at lauchpad and what the developers have to sort through there on a day to day basis, so it's not always a bad thing. Perhaps with the advent of Ubuntu Debian developers have got what they wanted: the ability to be able to populate Debian to the masses without the cruft. IMHO the face of Debian and Gentoo are etched. ;)

]]> By: Ste http://blog.stone-head.org/is-debian-listening-to-its-users/comment-page-1/#comment-114 Ste Sat, 14 Mar 2009 18:03:30 +0000 http://blog.stone-head.org/?p=113#comment-114 <a href="http://forums.debian.net/" rel="nofollow">http://forums.debian.net/</a><br><br>Is one of the reasons people avoid Debian. http://forums.debian.net/

Is one of the reasons people avoid Debian.

]]> By: catnap http://blog.stone-head.org/is-debian-listening-to-its-users/comment-page-1/#comment-113 catnap Sat, 14 Mar 2009 15:44:16 +0000 http://blog.stone-head.org/?p=113#comment-113 If you want to hear more opinions from Debian users, you could post a poll at the Debian User Forums.<br><br><a href="http://forums.debian.net/" rel="nofollow">http://forums.debian.net/</a><br><br>They have a section called "Debian Development". I seem to recall Ben Hutchings devising a poll there about how he should rename Ion3. (I don't know if the feedback from users actually helped him. :) ) If you want to hear more opinions from Debian users, you could post a poll at the Debian User Forums.

http://forums.debian.net/

They have a section called “Debian Development”. I seem to recall Ben Hutchings devising a poll there about how he should rename Ion3. (I don't know if the feedback from users actually helped him. :) )

]]> By: Marco http://blog.stone-head.org/is-debian-listening-to-its-users/comment-page-1/#comment-112 Marco Sat, 14 Mar 2009 14:59:26 +0000 http://blog.stone-head.org/?p=113#comment-112 No, Debian does not listening to its users...<br>Two examples that come to mind:<br>1) In Lenny, Debian has ceased support for AMD K7. Now, linux-image-k7 is a transitional (dummy) package who install linux-image-686. Several users have complained of major slowdown or even PCs and servers who fail to start with the 686 kernel! The result? Nobody was listening, Debian no longer continue to support the K7 and it cost many time and money to companies, administrators and users. Now that only the AMD 64 processor is supported, I begin to wonder if the Debian kernel maintainers are working on the balance of Intel...<br><br>2) A bug repport was made in June or July 2008 asking to remove the gconf dependency on wxgtk for Lenny since it's an unnecessary dependency. The result? Nobody was listening, all applications that depend on wxgtk 2.8 (as Poedit, I use every day to do translations) require the installation of gconf (GNOME configuration system). What will happen when Xfce 4.6 and its new configuration system (Xfconf) come in Debian? Are there other similar cases which require users to install unneeded dependencies on their old computers with little memory and small hard drives or even with all the new notebook and ultraportable with their small flash drive/SD card ? No, Debian does not listening to its users…
Two examples that come to mind:
1) In Lenny, Debian has ceased support for AMD K7. Now, linux-image-k7 is a transitional (dummy) package who install linux-image-686. Several users have complained of major slowdown or even PCs and servers who fail to start with the 686 kernel! The result? Nobody was listening, Debian no longer continue to support the K7 and it cost many time and money to companies, administrators and users. Now that only the AMD 64 processor is supported, I begin to wonder if the Debian kernel maintainers are working on the balance of Intel…

2) A bug repport was made in June or July 2008 asking to remove the gconf dependency on wxgtk for Lenny since it's an unnecessary dependency. The result? Nobody was listening, all applications that depend on wxgtk 2.8 (as Poedit, I use every day to do translations) require the installation of gconf (GNOME configuration system). What will happen when Xfce 4.6 and its new configuration system (Xfconf) come in Debian? Are there other similar cases which require users to install unneeded dependencies on their old computers with little memory and small hard drives or even with all the new notebook and ultraportable with their small flash drive/SD card ?

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